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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     8/5/2003 5:31 pm  
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  Explain the Bible DIETY or GODHEAD .....give scripture for support. 
 
             
   
  
 
 Three Persons in ONE GOD
10 votes (67%)  ONE Person in Three GODS
0 votes (0%)  ONENESS
2 votes (13%)  ONE GOD Three Aspects of the ONE GOD
2 votes (13%)  ONE GOD Three Personalities
0 votes (0%)  I Don't Really Know
1 votes (7%)  
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/6/2003 7:21 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    Poll (2 of 36)  
 
  678.2 in reply to 678.1  
 
In considering the Triune 3 in 1 nature of God consider this.

 

Here is the Biblical account of the virgin conception of Jesus.

 

Matthew 1:20 .. But while he (Joseph) thought on these things (Marys pregnancy), behold the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary they wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

 

Luke 1:34,35 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that Holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

 

In both accounts it is the Holy Spirit that is accredited with the virgin conception of Jesus if there were three separate Gods than you would have to correctly state that Jesus is the Son of the Holy Ghost and not the Son of the Father and this indeed is not what the Bible teaches nor is it what Jesus said about Himself and His Father.

 

1 Thessalonians 3:11 Now God Himself (Holy Spirit) and our Father,

and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.

 

John 10:30 I (Jesus) and the Father are One.

 

The Bible reveals God as Three distinct persons yet one.

 

For more information on this topic please reference.

http://www.basicchristian.org/biblicalproof.html 

 

David



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/6/2003 7:38 pm  
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  678.3 in reply to 678.2  
 
John 17:5 And now O, Father, Glorify thou Me with thine Own Self with the Glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

David



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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     8/7/2003 10:44 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    Poll (4 of 36)  
 
  678.4 in reply to 678.2  
 
Can this mean, David, that it is three aspects of God and not three persons?  It has been argued that God is every where and since this is possible for God; can it not be just three aspects and not three distinct personalities?

What does the 'one' indicate?  

         

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/7/2003 11:50 am  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    Poll (5 of 36)  
 
  678.5 in reply to 678.4  
 
Hi,

 

Along with the three aspects of God it probably is a little more complex than that because One person of the Triunity could go against the will of another person in the Triunity and that would not really be the case with only three aspects.

 

Jesus went to the cross by submitting to the Father. Jesus could have chosen not to go to the Cross. In Revelation when the scroll of seals is revealed at first the disciple John thinks that no one can open them and he weeps uncontrollably at this horrible thought but quickly it is pointed out that only Jesus can open them. I think that there was a very real struggle for Jesus in regards to the cross and I think Satan who knew that he was tempting God (Jesus) thought that he could tempt Jesus away from following the Father.

 

Often when God speaks to a Prophet and when He spoke to Peter, He says something three times. I think it is each the Father, Son and Jesus speaking and likewise the Holy Angels proclaim Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord referencing each individual and the Angels would know. So for now the 3 in 1 is really accurate for us as God said to Baptize in the [one] Name (singular) of the [three] people Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

 

Our human dilemma is that God is Spirit and Infinite we exist in the very simple physical realm compared to the Spiritual realm and only when we perceivably enter into the Spiritual realm will we know them.

 

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     8/7/2003 12:36 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    Poll (6 of 36)  
 
  678.6 in reply to 678.5  
 
Hi David,

Recently, a person stated to me that the ONENESS can be stated like this:  Looking at a glass of ice and water, he pointed out that the three states of water [solid, liquid, gas] were an example of the ONENESS, not a trinity.  All three states are water in three different forms.  How do you reconcile this approach?

 

         

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/7/2003 12:53 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    Poll (7 of 36)  
 
  678.7 in reply to 678.6  
 
I have always thought that that is the best example of the Triunity although others say it doesnt work and Im not sure why. Sometimes people say plasma is a fourth state for all materials as well but I dont think that plasma really counts as an identifiable state of matter.

 

Now in the case of Jesus it would then be like the Ice Cube taking on the appearance of a pea, in becoming a human and in His death on the cross Jesus was separated from the rest of God so it really is a complex issue but I do like and teach the water, ice, and steam aspect of the Triune God.

 

And Im not sure how Oneness works because they are three not one. If you try to steam your vegetables for dinner with Ice true it is water but it is not the same One result.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   8/8/2003 4:19 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    Poll (8 of 36)  
 
  678.8 in reply to 678.7  
 
Hi David, 

Dr. Harold Willmington gives an illustration of the Triune God which is very useful. He gives as an example, a book. A book, has height,width and length but the three factors (Ht. Wt.Lth ) can't be seperated, yet they are not the same. He describes it as a dimensional example of the Godhead. 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/8/2003 5:08 pm  
To:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   Poll (9 of 36)  
 
  678.9 in reply to 678.8  
 
Thats Good!!

 

Our dimensional existence of Time, Space and Matter all referenced and created in Genesis 1:1. No other writing even comes close to the Brilliance of the Bible.

 

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning (time) God created the (height)(width)(depth) Heaven and the earth.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   8/8/2003 6:32 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    Poll (10 of 36)  
 
  678.10 in reply to 678.9  
 
David, 
Another useful way you could nicely illustrate your point,would be to hold the Bible up (it's The Book ;) and recite Gen.1:1. It would an effective visual aid for Sunday School, VBS classes, etc. 

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  From:  Gracie (GRACEREJOICE)    8/25/2003 5:00 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    Poll (11 of 36)  
 
  678.11 in reply to 678.9  
 
Hello....I have been reading...this thread...nice to meet you....

I believe when those who established the Niacene Creed..that the use of Person..which to them identifies three distinct separate entities in the Godhead....is very much a stretch and not consistent...and though the Godhead is a great mystery...the use of person brings more than mystery but rather a great confusion.

Pesona would have been much better used...when they were creating their creed....as some use manifestation.  

The Father is a Spirit..and the Spirit can not be seen by mere man...Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead bodily...because of HIs obedience to the will of the Father..He has been given a name above all names...He has been given Lordship and He does sit on the throne...in the right hand of power to the Father.

We know that Jesus said that He must send to us the comforter...and that is the active persona of the Holy Spirit working in the church today.  We also know that it is the Spirit that leads us to Jesus...and when we are baptized it is Jesus who baptises us with the Holy Ghost..aaaah what a unity in One.

We also know the Holy Spirit does not speak of Himself..but expressly of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  As the Son glorifies the Father...the Father glorifies the Son the Holy Spirit also glorifies the Son..for Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

Will the Spirit of the Lord leave this earth when Jesus calls back His bride to be united with Him..no...for the Spirit of God is everywhere...but in the persona or agency of the Holy Spirit endwelling in the Body of Christ...which in this age...is the instruement that the Lord is using...through His church..who are filled with His Spirit..this agency the church will not remain but we caught away with the Lord...but the Spirit of God will continue to emcompass all things.

Do you believe when we see Jesus...that the glory of the Father as the shakina glory of the Lord will radiate off of Him...I believe it will be this way...God is a Spirit...and the only way we will see HIm..in a person is through the Sonship of Christ...as His glory so shines.

I could be wrong...but these are some things I have pondered with over the years...please share what you see in this.
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/25/2003 10:10 pm  
To:  Gracie (GRACEREJOICE)    Poll (12 of 36)  
 
  678.12 in reply to 678.11  
 
Hi,

 

Excellent post!

 

I think that as you said the real lack of our current understanding is based solely that we are physical while God is Spirit and I think that is why it is going to be such a big deal when we actually enter into the presence of God in the adoption and receive our Spiritual bodies and therefore we will interact with Jesus in a more intimate experiential way.

 

I have been going over this topic myself and I have just been thinking how Brilliant that the Niacene Creed is for their separating of the Persons.

 

For instance when Jesus says to the Father not my will be done but yours that is defiantly another personage that Jesus is submitting to yet Jesus Himself said that He and the Father are one. It is indeed a very complex issue but I believe that it is one that will be instantly resolved the moment we enter into the perceivable presence of God.

 

The end of Revelation says that the Mystery of God will come to an end and He will reveal Himself to mankind.

 

Keep up the Excellent posting.

 

PS Im going to repost the Niacene Creed, for a handy reference for people viewing this thread and also because it is my favorite creed.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    8/25/2003 10:16 pm  
To:  Gracie (GRACEREJOICE)    Poll (13 of 36)  
 
  678.13 in reply to 678.11  
 
very interesting post, Nancy.  Mysteries are so mysterious.  :)   I think you've done some heavy thinking on this, and I'm glad you shared it all here.  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/25/2003 10:21 pm  
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  678.14 in reply to 678.13  
 
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Source 
www.forerunner.com/chalcedon/X0009__4._Nicene_Creed.html 
Nicene Creed & History 

THE NICENE CREED 325 A.D. 
The Nicene Creed is the most widely accepted and used brief statements of the Christian Faith. In liturgical churches, it is said every Sunday as part of the Liturgy. It is Common Ground to East Orthodox, Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Lutherans, Calvinists, and many other Christian groups. Many groups that do not have a tradition of using it in their services nevertheless are committed to the doctrines it teaches. 

(Someone may ask, "What about the Apostles' Creed?" Traditionally, in the West, the Apostles' Creed is used at Baptisms, and the Nicene Creed at the Eucharist (aka the Mass, the Liturgy, the Lord's Supper, or the Holy Communion). The East uses only the Nicene Creed.) 

I here present the Nicene Creed in two English translations, The first is the traditional one, in use with minor variations since 1549, The second is a modern version, that of The Interdenominational Committee on Liturgical Texts. Notes and comment by me follow. 

MODERN WORDING 
Nicene Creed: 
We believe in one God, 
the Father, the Almighty, 
maker of heaven and earth, 
of all that is, seen and unseen. 

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, 
the only son of God, 
eternally begotten of the Father, 
God from God, Light from Light, 
true God from true God, 
begotten, not made, 
of one being with the Father. 
Through him all things were made. 
For us and for our salvation 
he came down from heaven: 
by the power of the Holy Spirit 
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, 
and was made man. 
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; 
he suffered death and was buried. 
On the third day he rose again 
in accordance with the Scriptures; 
he ascended into heaven 
and is seated at the right hand of the Father. 
He will come again in glory 
to judge the living and the dead, 
and his kingdom will have no end. 

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, 
who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]. 
With the Father and the Son 
he is worshipped and glorified. 
He has spoken through the Prophets. 
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. 
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. 
We look for the resurrection of the dead, 
and the life of the world to come. AMEN. 

NOTES AND COMMENT 

When the Apostles' Creed was drawn up, the chief enemy was Gnosticism, which denied that Jesus was truly Man; and the emphases of the Apostles' Creed reflect a concern with repudiating this error. 

When the Nicene Creed was drawn up, the chief enemy was Arianism, which denied that Jesus was fully God. Arius was a presbyter (=priest = elder) in Alexandria in Egypt, in the early 300's. He taught that the Father, in the beginning, created (or begot) the Son, and that the Son, in conjunction with the Father, then proceeded to create the world. The result of this was to make the Son a created being, and hence not God in any meaningful sense. It was also suspiciously like the theories of those Gnostics and pagans who held that God was too perfect to create something like a material world, and so introduced one or more intermediate beings between God and the world. God created A, who created B, who created C, ... who created Z, who created the world. Alexander, Bishop of Alexandria, sent for Arius and questioned him. Arius stuck to his position, and was finally excommunicated by a council of Egyptian bishops. He went to Nicomedia in Asia, where he wrote letters defending his position to various bishops. Finally, the Emperor Constantine summoned a council of Bishops in Nicea (across the straits from modern Istambul), and there in 325 the Bishops of the Church, by a decided majority, repudiated Arius and produced the first draft of what is now called the Nicene Creed. A chief spokesman for the full deity of Christ was Athanasius, deacon of Alexandria, assistant (and later successor) to the aging Alexander. The Arian position has been revived in our own day by the Watchtower Society (the JW's), who explicitly hail Arius as a great witness to the truth. 
 



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  From:  Gracie (GRACEREJOICE)    8/26/2003 2:14 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    Poll (15 of 36)  
 
  678.15 in reply to 678.14  
 
Thank you that was very informing...and the creed as written is fine...it is how many interpret it ..that brings some real problems..and causes some real problems. 
  
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   8/29/2003 11:07 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    Poll (16 of 36)  
 
  678.16 in reply to 678.12  
 
Hi David. I think Nancy had some very excellent points 
and input, but it is important that "The Personhood" of 
the Triune Nature of GOD is not seen at all as "anthropromorphic" 
[except, of course, in considering Jesus in His glorified Humanity.] 
I see The Three Persons of GOD, - Yahweh, The Eternal, - as 

A SPIRITUAL, TIMELESS/Eternal Unity in Purpose, Will, Power, 

Glory, etc. - in EVERY way! O N E: 

"...neither confounding the substance, nor dividing the essence." 

Can you seperate past/present and future from Time? 

So is GOD completely ONE yet MANIFEST and operating in His 
Creation and in Eternity as THREE distinct, TOTALLY ONE 
Persons: 

A Pure, Perfect Oneness of Love. 

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Shalom 
and God bless. 

PS/ and we should never allow the D/evil to get us 
fighting over the deep mysteries of the Triune GOD. (!) 
I appreciate how this discussion has been kept completely 
civil and respectful. 


"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." - I Corinthians 13.

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---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


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* Truth Triumphs Over All *

(Always "speak the Truth in Love)...[see Profile] 

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 
NOTHING YOU AND I CAN OR WILL EVER DO can substitute for the mercy and grace found in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ, The Lamb of God. * HE IS The ONLY Way to forgiveness and reconciliation with GOD. WITHOUT THE BLOOD ATONEMENT THERE IS NO REMISSION OF THE ETERNAL CONSEQUENCES OF SIN. ---> The ETERNAL consequences of sin. 

* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


JESUS: He Is The Ultimate Answer to every Ultimate Need and Question. - HE IS The Lord GOD and Savior: Mercy, Grace, ~ Truth and Salvation IS FOR THOSE WHO RECEIVE HIM...IN TRUTH and *from the heart.*


It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, and forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! * Be sure you answer when GOD comes knocking at the door of your heart! * 

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  From:  brent (brent696)   9/6/2003 8:57 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    Poll (17 of 36)  
 
  678.17 in reply to 678.9  
 
Dear David, 
When God who is Spirit sets out to create He sets up a motion, that motion is that act of speaking the word. So though He is One, by creating He presents Himself in three distinct aspects. 

So the biblical metaphor is one of speaking a word, first there is the speaker and the will to speak behind the action itself, that would be the Father. 

Next he gives forth His breath for He does not create out of Himself but as the scripture say "The Spirit hovered over the Waters" and by effect, does His breath disturb the Waters. And what are the Waters here, they are defines as emptiness (void) with darkness over the face of. Namely they are nothing for that is what God creates out of, making something out of nothing. And so by Breath of Being does He set forth to agitate the Nothingness into organizational forms and dynamics yet never co-mingling with the Nothing. The biblical picture suggests as if you blew upon a calm pool of Water, but wheras we, being of limited nature as a creature, our breath would bring chaos to the stillness. But God with divine Being brings Order to the Waters. 

So the Holy Breath is that motion of God which is effecting Creation by its movement. 

That same breath though is to be given form and shape. The vocal cords produce no sound, they help to vibrate the air coming from your lungs and it is the vibrational organization that brings form and shape to the Breath creating a Word. The Word IS the breath but molded into an acceptable form in which to communicate. The Word is God's Being and Will projected into the Creation, the Father as He appears in individualistic soul and Identity within the Creation. 

Mankind and all of Creation has for their Being the Waters of Nothing, being created from nothingness. So has man by nature been born of the Waters. Christ, though He appears as a soul has the source of His Being being the Father. We are from below and He alone is from above, not just above the physical as in the realm of souls (heavens) but from that Being (The Father) who is still hovering (transcending) all of Creation. 

At no time has the Spirit (God's Being) intermingled with Creation, such would corrupt His Holiness and He is uncorruptable, He is forever set apart. But the Son, who is His SEED sent into the Creation, in this SEED are the natures to be intermingled and reconciled. Having been reconciled Christ who first descended will ascend again to the Father and those of us who have assimilated His reconciled Being (The Spirit of Christ/God) shall ascend in his train. 

The Godhead is not three persons for God the Father, neither the Holy Spirit are persons as in a soul in time and space. They are "BEING" transcendent and such qualities associated with them are ABSOLUTES. God alone fills the eternal realm with His own Being and there is no other, He is above all ONE and One where there is no other. Christ is that same Being in SEED form descending into the Creation so that it might inseminate itself into the souls (wombs) of man and thus birth men (souls) into the Spiritual dimension of God's presence. There, though our identity is different from God, our Being is the same having been Born of His Spirit, thus He remains One Being, the sole Life of all. 

brent 



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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   9/7/2003 10:19 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    Poll (18 of 36)  
 
  678.18 in reply to 678.12  
 
Again, according to the church fathers and orthodoxy, 
(and I think they are correct) G O D Is O N E 

Supreme Being Who is manifest and made known thru, in, and 

by THREE Persons Who are absolutely ONE in every way that is 

eternal and in The Spirit. - they are One also in terms of 

Will and Perfect Love [for one another] AND for that which 

reflects their nature: which is Wisdom and Love, Justice and 

Truth.....meekness, kindness, goodness, etc. 

Shalom 
and God bless. 


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." - 1 Corinthians 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS

* Truth Triumphs Over All *

(Always "speak the Truth in Love")...[see Profile] 

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 
and JESUS said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The [Eternal} Life [of GOD], *no one* shall be reconciled back to The Father except by Me." - "I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: Repentance, Forgiveness, Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love and Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * mercy/grace/truth/and holiness. 

NOTHING YOU AND I CAN OR WILL EVER DO can substitute for the mercy and grace found in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ, The Lamb of God. 

* HE IS The ONLY Way to forgiveness and reconciliation with GOD. WITHOUT THE BLOOD ATONEMENT THERE IS NO REMISSION OF THE ETERNAL CONSEQUENCES OF SIN. ---> The ETERNAL consequences of sin. 

* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 



WHAT IS HAPPENING?---> *Matthew 24:10-14* * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


* DO YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE TO STAND BY YOUR SIDE THERE?


It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! 
* Be sure you answer when GOD comes knocking at the door of your heart! * 


** The choices are yours...AND the consequences: whether good or evil. ** ~ ~Ecclesiastes 12:13,14. ~ 
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/8/2003 11:30 am  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   Poll (19 of 36)  
 
  678.19 in reply to 678.18  
 
Hi,

 

Yes in we are in Total agreement in this.

 

God Bless You,

David



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   From:  Franksharing    9/12/2003 11:51 am  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    Poll (20 of 36)  
 
  678.20 in reply to 678.1  
 
Hi my friends

I voted three persons in One God. Not because it portrays the full and total picture of God, but because it is in harmony with the teachings of God through out the scriptures of the Sacred Word of God!

1 John 5:5-8
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
KJV

May the peace and Joy of God rest up on you as see your savlation in the Lord Jesus Christ, our Redeemer!

A brother in the faith of Christ Jesus
Frank

May our prayer be:

"Oh, my best Friend, my Maker, my Lord, shape me and mold me into Thy divine likeness. Make me entirely like Thyself. Refine, purify, quicken me, that I may represent the character of God."

A nice on line Bible study http://www.discoveronline.org/schools/222 
 
  
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From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    9/13/2003 1:37 am  
To:  Franksharing    Poll (21 of 36)  
 
  678.21 in reply to 678.20  
 
Absolutely! GOD's "Divine Mathematics" [as per His nature] 
is NOT: 1 + 1 + 1 = 3. 

rather, it is: 1 x 1 x 1 = O N E ! 

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THREE Persons; ONE Supreme Being: 

Forever The Eternal I AM T H A T I AM: 

El O Him Adonai El Shaddhai ! El Elyon. 

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---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." - 1 Corinthians 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS

* Truth Triumphs Over All *

(Always "speak the Truth in Love")...[see Profile] 

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 
and JESUS said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The [Eternal} Life [of GOD], *no one* shall be reconciled back to The Father except by Me." - "I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: Repentance, Forgiveness, Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love and Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * mercy/grace/truth/and holiness. 



WHAT IS HAPPENING?---> *Matthew 24:10-14* *Luke 21:22, 31-36* ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     9/18/2003 11:11 am  
To:  Franksharing    Poll (22 of 36)  
 
  678.22 in reply to 678.20  
 
I know that this sounds a bit odd, but I always say that one could look at it like this:  Father God, Jesus God, and Holy Spirit God.  It is as if God were the last name of all three persons.  Of course this is not true but the concept of the three persons operating as GOD, in unity, as ONE is true.  God is called the Godhead in the Holy Bible.  The concept is the Trinity or TRI-UNITY as some say, is in the Holy Bible but not stated as a noun or Proper Noun in it.  

Thanks for your comments.

         

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/18/2003 3:43 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    Poll (23 of 36)  
 
  678.23 in reply to 678.22  
 
Hi Osmfalcon,

 

The Hebrew and Greek Bible languages are more inclined to present God in the Plural form and there is at least one plural verb referencing the action of Gods as well in the Old Testament.

 

i.e. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God (Elohiem) Elohiem is the Plural Noun for God and is correctly translated Gods with El being the singular form and the ohiem being the plural ending.

 

How many Gods are there?

 

In Both The Old Testament and the New Testament Holy Angels in the presence of Gods proclaim Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord.

 

Holy Angels in the Presence of God probably have a good grasp the Triunity nature of God and one day soon we will also have the benefit of a perspective of being in the presence of God.

 

God Bless You,
David

 

 



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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     9/18/2003 7:12 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    Poll (24 of 36)  
 
  678.24 in reply to 678.23  
 
You are absolutely right David!
         

 
  
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  From:  Franksharing    9/18/2003 10:54 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    Poll (25 of 36)  
 
  678.25 in reply to 678.22  
 
Greetings my brother Falcon

I enjoyed your thoughts

The Godhead is truly beyond a true description by humanity, we only have a dim glimps as looking though a dark glass and seeing a dim view for our understanding!

I look at it as the three, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the complete full body of God!

God bless, my brother
Frank

May our prayer be:

"Oh, my best Friend, my Maker, my Lord, shape me and mold me into Thy divine likeness. Make me entirely like Thyself. Refine, purify, quicken me, that I may represent the character of God."

A nice on line Bible study http://www.discoveronline.org/schools/222 
 
  
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/15/2003 11:17 pm  
To:  Franksharing    Poll (26 of 36)  
 
  678.26 in reply to 678.25  
 
Hi Frank. 
That's an interesting way of seeing it. 

I think "the mystery of the Godhead" is simply beyond 

full human comprehension; - {one would expect that from 

an Infinite, Eternal, and Transcendent GOD.} (!) 

be blest always. 

Len 


Rev 22:12: Behold, I am returning quickly. And My reward is with me, to repay to each person according to their work.{HE SEES every hidden motive of the heart} . . .AND IF YOU ARE NOT HIDDEN IN CHRIST, YOU ARE DAMNED ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT. CHRIST HIMSELF said so.

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: The most powerful Being and instrument in the Universe for separating spiritual Light from spiritual darkness. - AND HE IS SEPARATING THE TWO: RIGHT NOW.

* WHAT is He separating? - The wheat from the chaff...and the wheat from the tares. He is (at this moment) preparing the world for judgement, and (simultaneously) preparing an Eternal Bride for His Most Beloved Son. - which group you belong to depends upon your spirit and your CHOICES.

-----------------------------


* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


* DO YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE TO STAND BY YOUR SIDE THERE?


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." ~~~ A Summary of 1 Corinthians Chapter 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 
and JESUS said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The [Eternal} Life [of GOD], *no one* shall be reconciled back to The Father except by Me." - "I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: -->Repentance,--> Forgiveness,---> Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love AND Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * mercy/grace/truth/and holiness: THE SAVED SOUL is a TRANSFORMED soul in a very real progession of sanctification. 

 
  
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/15/2003 11:19 pm  
To:  Gracie (GRACEREJOICE)   unread  Poll (27 of 36)  
 
  678.27 in reply to 678.15  
 
Hi Nancy. how are you doing these days? 
nice that Christians can learn to forgive and try to 
understand each other, isn't it. 


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* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


* DO YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE TO STAND BY YOUR SIDE THERE?


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." ~~~ A Summary of 1 Corinthians Chapter 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 
and JESUS said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The [Eternal} Life [of GOD], *no one* shall be reconciled back to The Father except by Me." - "I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: -->Repentance,--> Forgiveness,---> Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love AND Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * mercy/grace/truth/and holiness: THE SAVED SOUL is a TRANSFORMED soul in a very real progession of sanctification. 




IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN "...FAITH that WORKETH by Love..." and GRACE that is made manifest BY FRUIT. - "faith without fruit is DEAD, being alone." 



==================================

and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} 
 
  
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  From:  Franksharing    10/16/2003 11:13 am  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   Poll (28 of 36)  
 
  678.28 in reply to 678.26  
 
Hi brother Lin

You stated: > I think "the mystery of the Godhead" is simply beyond 

full human comprehension; <

Yes, I fully agree, we are the created God is the creator!

From my simple understudying, Jesus was always the visible presents of God. 
It was Jesus position in heaven that Lucifer coveted!   
Lucifer wanted to sit on throne were Jesus sat! Even though he was created 
and Jesus was the creator who spoke all things into existence.

Pride leads to all sorts of sin, 
that makes angels or man not fit to be in God's presents. 
Jesus our Redeemer has paid the price for all who will except His free gift.

Looking to Jesus and His Righteousness will grant us a place 
in the New Jerusalem 
and we will have eternity to learn of God and His glorious power
 and Character and the Oneness 
of God through the Father, Son and Holy Spirit!


Jesus is coming again! Hallelujah Amen
Frank


May our prayer be:

"Oh, my best Friend, my Maker, my Lord, shape me
 and mold me into Thy divine likeness. 
Make me entirely like Thyself. 
Refine, purify, quicken me, 
that I may represent the character of God."

A nice on line Bible study 

http://www.discoveronline.org/schools/222 




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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/16/2003 11:30 pm  
To:  Franksharing    Poll (29 of 36)  
 
  678.29 in reply to 678.28  
 
God bless you, bro. it is always a pleasure to read 
your input and share with you in all matters pertaining 
to Christ, Truth, and godliness. 
To JESUS be all the glory, honor, blessing, power 

and dominion forever! 

* Yehudah, verses 24 & 25 * 

Shalom 
in Sar Shalom. 


THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: The most powerful Being and instrument in the Universe for separating spiritual Light from spiritual darkness. - AND HE IS SEPARATING THE TWO: RIGHT NOW.

* WHAT is He separating? - The wheat from the chaff...and the wheat from the tares. He is (at this moment) preparing the world for judgement, and (simultaneously) preparing an Eternal Bride for His Most Beloved Son. - which group you belong to depends upon your spirit and your CHOICES.

* People are being *fixed* in their true INWARD spiritual condition by choices and responses to Jesus Christ and His redemptive work and words. - IT IS AN INWARD PREPARATION for The Final Seperation. *

~ Why? Because of the nearness of His appearing. {and for some this shall be unto honor and glory forever; for others: it shall be eternal shame, condemnation, and dishonor} 

~ CHOICES.

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* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!



---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." ~~~ A Summary of 1 Corinthians Chapter 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


sanctification. 



It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! 



==================================

and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} 
 
  
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/17/2003 1:38 am  
To:  Gracie (GRACEREJOICE)   unread  Poll (30 of 36)  
 
  678.30 in reply to 678.15  
 
be blest, Nancy. perhaps someday you will stop judging 
me and start loving me 
in Christ 
as His servant 
in deed and in truth. 

Len 

www.shulamite.com/chariot_of_fire.html 

===================================== 

www.wayofthemaster.com 

========================= 


Rev 22:12: Behold, I am returning quickly. And My reward is with me, to repay to each person according to their work.{HE SEES every hidden motive of the heart} . . .AND IF YOU ARE NOT HIDDEN IN CHRIST, YOU ARE DAMNED ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT. CHRIST HIMSELF said so.

-----------------------------


* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!



---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." ~~~ A Summary of 1 Corinthians Chapter 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 
sanctification. 



It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! 
 
  
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/20/2003 12:22 am  
To:  Gracie (GRACEREJOICE)   unread  Poll (31 of 36)  
 
  678.31 in reply to 678.15  
 
and I mean that very, very sincerely from my heart, 
K N O W I N G 

what I do. 

regards, 
IN CHRIST. 

Len 


Rev 22:12: Behold, I am returning quickly. And My reward is with me, to repay to each person according to their work.{HE SEES every hidden motive of the heart} . . .AND IF YOU ARE NOT HIDDEN IN CHRIST, YOU ARE DAMNED ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT. CHRIST HIMSELF said so.

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: The most powerful Being and instrument in the Universe for separating spiritual Light from spiritual darkness. - AND HE IS SEPARATING THE TWO: RIGHT NOW.

* WHAT is He separating? - The wheat from the chaff...and the wheat from the tares. He is (at this moment) preparing the world for judgement, and (simultaneously) preparing an Eternal Bride for His Most Beloved Son. - which group you belong to depends upon your spirit and your CHOICES.

-----------------------------


* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


* DO YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE TO STAND BY YOUR SIDE THERE?


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." ~~~ A Summary of 1 Corinthians Chapter 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---





==================================

and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} 
 
  
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  From:  Zac (ZSmythe)    10/30/2003 12:30 pm  
To:  ALL   Poll (32 of 36)  
 
  678.32 in reply to 678.31  
 
Genesis 1:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (Creator, Father)
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. (Spirit)
3 And God said, Let there be light, and there was light. (Word, Son)

From the above it may be concluded that although there are three persons mentioned, they are all GOD. The rest of scripture elaborates on this. My take on it, anyway...

Nice forum,

Zac




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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/30/2003 8:22 pm  
To:  Zac (ZSmythe)    Poll (33 of 36)  
 
  678.33 in reply to 678.32  
 
Hi,

 

Well explained.

 

Some say the Father initiates the idea (creation) then Jesus Speaks the Fathers thoughts and the Holy Spirit brings it into existence.

 

Again the three are one God.

 

We will only understand the triune three in one nature of God when we enter into the presence of God in Heaven and I for one am not the lest bit confounded by this. There are many things I dont understand, I dont understand how this computer processor the computer memory and the computer display all work so it by no means bothers me that I cant comprehend  of God.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    Nov-2 8:07 pm  
To:  Gracie (GRACEREJOICE)   unread  Poll (34 of 36)  
 
  678.34 in reply to 678.15  
 
How wonderful that Christians do so much to bless and 
help and forgive and encourage one another! How wonderful 
that they love to give the benefit of the doubt 
and show loving kindness and blessing and encouragement 
to those who preach and teach the Gospel! 
Yes! - They understand that they are NOT called 
to be the forever-condemning 
"""Judge""" of another. 

how wonderful. 


~ CHOICES.

Revelation 22: 10b ... for the time is near. 11 Let the one who is doing wrong continue to do wrong; the one who is vile, continue to be vile; the one who is good, continue to do good; and the one who is holy, continue in holiness. 12 See, I am coming soon, and my reward is with me, to repay all according to their deeds. 

-----------------------------


* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! *

* He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * 
* HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 

- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!



---> Isaiah 54:15-17 * Psalm 35:1-8,22,23 * <---

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/SEE: Romans 8:14 + John 3:8 and ~~~ I Cor.1:15-16; 4:3-5 ~~~

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS: ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


"I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: -->Repentance,--> Forgiveness,---> Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love AND Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * mercy/grace/truth/and holiness: THE SAVED SOUL is a TRANSFORMED soul in a very real progression of sanctification. 



It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! But those who reject Him shall be cast into eternal darkness. - ESPECIALLY those who hypocritically CLAIM to follow Him. Many, many, M A N Y are those who have betrayed Him and "have a name only..." 





==================================

and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} for it is an ETERNAL TRUTH. 
 
  
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   From:  seven7up   Nov-27 11:40 am  
To:  Zac (ZSmythe)    Poll (36 of 36)  
 
  678.36 in reply to 678.32  
 
I think a careful and prayerful reading of Jesus' words in Chapter 17 of St. Johns Gospel explains the "oneness" of God quite beautifully. Although, I am sure that many would disagree with it. 
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